Adam friendica (AP) (via DFRN)

Hey, Plusporans!

I posted this as a reply to someone who was reposting the announcement about the issues Pluspora was having lately, but I figured I would post this just in general.

I would like to extend an open invitation to you and anyone who is wanting or needing to setup another fediverse account (due to the unfortunate circumstances at Pluspora) to come check out Friendica. Our friendly Friendica instances speak many languages, so they reach in to many other parts of the fediverse - the GNU Socials, Pleromas, Mastondons, etc, as well as Hubzillas and of course, Diasporas. This invitation is not to dissuade from choosing any particular path, but as I don't see enough cheering for all the great improvements that go in to Friendica all the time, I figure I'd make some noise, especially in light of the changes (or possible changes?) going on at Pluspora.

Feel free to try out a Friendica account at https://social.isurf.ca (I've been running this instance since April 2018) or at any instance that might be close and comfortable geographically - you can find a list at https://the-federation.info/friendica

Heck, even if one has had an account on a Friendica instance in the past, there's been a great number of improvements over the past couple of years.

Have a great day, hope all is well, and we look forward to seeing you wherever you wind up!

#pluspora #diaspora #friendica

Tagging a few people:

@David Thiery@diane@Frederick Wilson II@David English@wynter@Jess Nut@Whuffo@DavïÐ Låzårµ§@Whuffo@Stuart Richman@garpu@garpu@doug t@Jeff Sexton@Paul Frank@Michele Hax@Nora Qudus@Rodrigo Mesa@John Hummel@Steven Vaughan-Nichols@Matthias Vos@Bill B@Wilco Roos
Thanks. I'll give it a try. Pluspora was never G+, but I can see the end from here.
Adam friendica (AP)
Right, of course, and my point is just to wave the Friendica flag here for a moment as it seems the people on Pluspora could possibly use some options at the moment. One hopes things works out as positively as possible for them and the service.
doug t diaspora
Do you have a link to "the announcement" post? I can't find it.
Bill B diaspora
Good you spoke up in favor of checking out friendica. We who have been checking out possibilities for a pluspora alternative don't find many sources of information about sites and platforms. And we haven't seemed to be getting much detail about diaspora futures.

Is friendica in active development? You say there have been improvements lately, that's a good sign. I do have an account there but haven't tended to it, maybe i'll give it another go.
Adam friendica (AP) (via DFRN)
@Bill B Friendica is in active development, yes - you can see the activity on the Friendica github repository.

If you have any questions, feel free to let me know, I'll answer what I can.
John Hummel diaspora
Thanks, @Adam!
Adam friendica (AP) (via DFRN)
@John Hummel You bet! And please, feel free to repost/share far & wide. I only pinged a very limited number of people that showed up in the global timeline recently.
@Adam - Thanks for tagging me. Yes, others have mentioned Friendica. And I've checked it out. I only saw a relative handful of nodes though and most had very few users. For the record, this is the link that I browsed: https://dir.friendica.social/servers/en
Adam friendica (AP) (via DFRN)
Hey @DavïÐ Låzårµ§ - Sure, there's not millions of users on Friendica nodes, but that's what makes federated services so handy. As you can see, I can reach people on your Diaspora instance just like I can reach people on my own system. I can also reach people on Mastodon, Hubzilla, Pleroma, etc., systems, just like they're here on my system, too.

That's part of what makes Friendica so good - the multiple backends that it speaks. It doesn't mean much whether you have 1 user on your instance (such as a personal-only instance) or 5,000.

Oh, heh, I definitely prefer the node list at https://the-federation.info/friendica - I have an item on a to-do list to review the server list on the Friendica directories and discuss improvements with the developer. Not that you'll see piles more people on the list at the-federation.info, but to me it's a little cleaner list to browse over.
@Adam@DavïÐ Låzårµ§ Federation makes it possible, #Diaspora has its own protocol (still?) and #Friendica can "speak" it, too. So D* users can communicate with F (not FB) users vise versa. Maybe only direct/private messages won't work?
utzer friendica (AP) (via DFRN)
@Roland Häder@Adam@DavïÐ Låzårµ§ Direct messages work fine, private messages too. Diaspora interoperability always was a priority at Friendica, there is some close relations between one of the main developers of Friendica and some of the core developers of Diaspora (as far as I can say).
@Adam - I knew about the federated services with respect to Diaspora and others, but I'll check out the list at the link you gave about. Thanks.
Adam friendica (AP) (via DFRN)
@DavïÐ Låzårµ§ You bet, and feel free to drop by any time, you may be surprised with how much you have access to in Friendica-land!
Rod Mesa diaspora
I'm there as roddio@social.isurf.ca just in case.
Adam friendica (AP) (via DFRN)
@Rodrigo Mesa Right on! Hope you have a chance to really check things out.
My #NewHere post on Friendica (social.isurf.ca) isn't showing in my refreshed stream here. Shouldn't it show here?
Adam friendica (AP) (via DFRN)
@DavïÐ Låzårµ§ You probably need to friend yourself to get it in to your stream? I'm not aware whether Pluspora ties in to any relay, so unless there's a tie-in from Pluspora to your brand new account here, I suspect it wouldn't show up.

What this means on the basic level is that not every public post from every diaspora, friendica, mastodon, pleroma, etc., system winds up appearing on every other system, there's various mechanics that have to be in play to make that happen. I'm not sure if between Pluspora (and/or most of Diaspora, due to very few relays that I'm aware of) that's happening very often currently.
utzer friendica (AP) (via DFRN)
@Adam especially as the last remaining Diaspora relay our there is run by some Friendica admin. ;-)@DavïÐ Låzårµ§
@Adam Your account is being reported by my instance as #Mastodon while it is really #Friendica . That's strange. I tried to refetch yourprofile data but it remains detected wrong.
@Adam 2 records in contact table, one with dfrn and the other with apub and both point at the same record in gserver table (where it is stated as Mastodon. Can I manually fix it?
Adam friendica (AP) (via DFRN)
It happens here locally, too - I think I mentioned it to Michael along the way, but would have to check. Perhaps we can discuss in one of the Friendica forums?
@Adam Yes, sorry. :-)
How can I not receive "my friends' conversations" notifications and only get them under the bell?
Adam friendica (AP) (via DFRN)
@DavïÐ Låzårµ§ I'm not sure I'm entirely clear on that one. All your friends posts should show up in your network feed, and I'm not sure what you are asking exactly regarding the notifications.
Also, clicking on the "target" and then clicking on "global communities" seems like a lot of steps just to get to your federated stream. Anyway, it's chill time. So, good night.
@Adam - I was referring to the "nine square" icon in the upper left. It shows the number of notifications for "friends". I just want everything under the bell. Looking in two different areas is a pain.
utzer friendica (AP) (via DFRN)
@DavïÐ Låzårµ§ ah, that number just shows the number of new posts in the "network" stream, which for me does not say much, it is always dozens, hundreds or mostly 1000+. I guess if this really annoys people you could make a feature request to have this changed, but getting a notification for it does not make sense, you'd get hundreds of them per day. @Adam
Shelenn Ayres friendica (AP) (via DFRN)
Hey David, for me the 9 square icon shows things any of my contacts have posted about but I also see duplicate notifications under the bell - so I generally just ignore the 9 block icon. The bell also shows me things my "friends" post or if I am mentioned. The home icon also shows me a duplicate notification if a comment was made on one of my threads. Finally, if I do a search I can read everything or be selective by topic etc. Then there are the powerful preferences and integration with twitter, RSS, etc. It took me a couple of days to learn what I can do in Friendica that made it my choice in the Fediverse for the greatest reach, the ability to edit my typos, and the power to handle my user experience including blocking those who harass me. As for the UI, you can opt for a different theme or make your own.
Wilco Roos diaspora
I have already migrated/created an extra account on diaspora, opening up another account would lead to much confusion, thanks for the tag @Adam What would be the difference between diaspora and friendica?
utzer friendica (AP) (via DFRN)
@Wilco Roos Friendica allows you to interact with the Activity Pub protocol world as well, which exceeds the Diaspora universe by far. So you don't loose contact to Diaspora users, but you gain a whole new universe. @Adam
Adam friendica (AP) (via DFRN)
@Wilco Roos What @utzer said - and I'd honestly have to study the Diaspora feature set again, but they're not very dissimilar between the platforms. Friendica has quite a lot of features, many going unused, I think. heh
Whuffo diaspora
I like my new home on Diaspora. It's just like Pluspora but it works reliably.
Adam friendica (AP) (via DFRN)
@Whuffo I hope your new home is enjoyable! But FYI Pluspora is Diaspora as well (Diaspora is the service software and network that Pluspora and diasp.org run on).
Wilco Roos diaspora
Lol @whuffo much better than pluspora indeed, but still missing editing posts, and the + function 😋
Wilco Roos diaspora
Woot! I have made an account, and lets see if i can find my place there.
Adam friendica (AP) (via DFRN)
Pinging @Lise as she may like to see this.
@Wilco Roos - Click on your profile pic in the upper right. Then, click Settings. Browse through the sections as there are several settings you might like to change; including Theme.

@utzer - I appreciate the invitation. However, I am one who doesn't like to have more than one profile on a given social network.

@Shelenn Ayres - Yes, there are tons of advantages. However, there does seem to be a few extra clicks involved to do things that require fewer clicks on Diaspora.
Shelenn Ayres friendica (AP) (via DFRN)
Why limit reach for the sake of a few clicks? ;)
@Shelenn Ayres - I'd prefer the reach without the clicks.
Adam friendica (AP) (via DFRN)
@DavïÐ Låzårµ§ What would you like to do that does require more clicking on Friendica?
Shelenn Ayres friendica (AP) (via DFRN)
Unfortunately, diaspora by design has limited reach into the Fediverse. So it depends on your use case ;) Good question Adam! I haven't found Friendica to be unfriendly hehe
@Adam - I know I'm new to Friendica. Nevertheless, per your request, here are some suggestions:

1) Have the Home button take you to your stream rather than your posts. You can get to your posts by clicking on your name and selecting Status anyway. This would eliminate the need for the Target button.

2) As for your stream, I suggest making the Global Community the default as opposed to the Local Community. That would make it one less click for me as I tend to share everything public with very few exceptions.

3) Do away with the numeric notification above the Nine Block button. It seems like a distraction to me as I will see my Friends' posts in my stream anyway. So, I really don't care to see the number of new posts from my Friends.

4) I'd like links, tags, etc to appear active without my having to mouseover the post. It will tend to make things stand out better, IMO.

That's about it at the moment. Feel free to discuss these with other users.
Adam friendica (AP) (via DFRN)
@DavïÐ Låzårµ§ Hey David - ... hmm, I think I would suggest perhaps having a read through https://social.isurf.ca/help/Quick-Start-guide might help with understanding what's going on up there.

Your network stream is the top left icon, the grid. The target looking icon is the global community stream, which is either all public posts from this instance, or all public posts that this instance knows about (locally and from remote sources). Neither of those are *your* stream, it's the global public feeds to the instance.

I appreciate the rest of the suggestions, we should see if they've been suggested as issues / feature requests at the Friendica github: https://github.com/friendica/friendica/issues

Were any of these suggestions related to the extra amount of clicking around you felt you needed to do? Perhaps with clearer understanding of what each of those options are it will help cut down on the amount of moving around? Do let me know how things go.
@Adam - I've gotten used to what Diaspora/Pluspora considers "my stream"; which includes posts by people that I do not have in my aspects. That's why I made that comment.

As for the Target button, that's the one where the extra click comes into play. That's why I suggested to make the Global Community the default. Also, I'd prefer that to be "my stream" as it would allow me to discover new people rather than just view posts by people that I'm following and/or have as Friends.

Oh, this "my wall" thing and Friends being able to post on it. I'd prefer not. Just let them post public or tag me (or a group) for a more private post. I don't like FB because it's akin to both graffiti and a tabloid magazine.

Another irksome thing is that adding people makes you lose your place because it brings up a new page. It'd be great if it was a popup so that one wouldn't lose their place while browsing through posts.
Shelenn Ayres friendica (AP) (via DFRN)
For those new to this Friendica server, what I did was spend a little time going through and experimenting with themes and theme settings, display, addons, etc. You can find them under your account settings. Some of what is mentioned here is customizable in your settings :)
@Shelenn Ayres - I've gone through most settings. I won't deny the possibility of my missing something.
I'm still a bit frustrated with the UI. See my recent post from my isurf account on Friendica for details.