Jupiter Rowland

jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu

An avatar roaming the decentralised and federated 3-D virtual worlds based on OpenSimulator, a free and open-source server-side re-implementation of Second Life. Mostly talking about OpenSim, sometimes about other virtual worlds, occasionally about the Fediverse beyond Mastodon. No, the Fediverse is not only Mastodon.

If you're looking for real-life people posting about real-life topics, go look somewhere else. This channel is never about real life.

Even if you see me on Mastodon, I'm not on Mastodon myself. I'm on Hubzilla which is neither a Mastodon instance nor a Mastodon fork. In fact, it's older and much more powerful than Mastodon. And it has always been connected to Mastodon.

I regularly write posts with way more than 500 characters. If that disturbs you, block me now, but don't complain. I'm not on Mastodon, I don't have a character limit here.

I rather give too many content warnings than too few. But I have absolutely no means of blanking out pictures for Mastodon users.

I always describe my images, no matter how long it takes. My posts with image descriptions tend to be my longest. Don't go looking for my image descriptions in the alt-text; they're always in the post text which is always hidden behind a content warning due to being over 500 characters long.

If you follow me, and I "follow" you back, I don't actually follow you and receive your posts. Unless you've got something to say that's interesting to me within the scope of this channel, or I know you from OpenSim, I'll most likely deny you the permission to send me your posts. I only "follow" you back because Hubzilla requires me to do that to allow you to follow me. But I do let you send me your comments and direct messages. If you boost a lot of uninteresting stuff, I'll block you boosts.

My "birthday" isn't my actual birthday but my rezday. My first avatar has been around since that day.

If you happen to know German, maybe my "homepage" is something for you, a blog which, much like this channel, is about OpenSim and generally virtual worlds.

#OpenSim #OpenSimulator #VirtualWorlds #Metaverse #SocialVR #fedi22

The Hypergrid

hubzilla

Jupiter Rowland

4 days ago

Jupiter Rowland
4 days ago

The next clash between Mastodon and the non-Mastodon Fediverse is imminent

Mastodon culture will declare alt-texts for profile pictures mandatory Fediverse-wide, but most Fediverse software doesn't even support them; CW: long (over 3,500 characters), Fediverse meta, alt-text meta, image description meta

So there's a new attack vector for Mastodon users against non-Mastodon users in the making.

Mastodon is rolling out alt-texts for what we on Hubzilla call the profile photo and the cover photo. It won't be long until it becomes mandatory in Mastodon's culture to have alt-texts for both these pictures. Regardless of how new this feature is and how many other features that were introduced between March, 2022 and now have not made it into Mastodon's culture and Mastodon's unwritten rules, by the way.

At this point, Mastodon's alt-text activists will start attacking anyone and everyone whom they catch without alt-texts for these two pictures. At least they'll lecture them about the importance of alt-texts. Or they'll block them outright.

What they won't realise:

Not everyone in the Fediverse is on Mastodon. Just because you see something on your Mastodon Web UI or in your Mastodon app, doesn't mean it's on or from Mastodon itself.
In fact, that particular user might not be on Mastodon.
Just because Mastodon rolls out a new feature, doesn't mean everything in the Fediverse rolls out the same feature at the same time. This means that there's a whole lot of Fediverse server software that does not offer alt-texts for profile pictures, and that probably won't offer them for quite a while or ever.
Also, Mastodon's culture is not and will never be the culture of the whole Fediverse. Sorry, Mastodon fundamentalists, but some software has been here before Mastodon, its culture is older than Mastodon itself, and it's technologically incompatible with Mastodon's unwritten rules.

Here on Hubzilla, where I'm posting from right now (in case you really thought I'm on Mastodon just like you), there is no such thing as a dedicated field for alt-texts anywhere. Even if you want to post pictures, there is no alt-text entry mask, and there is no alt-text database field for the images.

Instead, both images and alt-texts are handled like on a blog: You embed the image somewhere in the post text using markup code. In a sense, you program the image into the post. And if you want the image to have alt-text, you have to program the alt-text into the image-embedding code. If you're afraid of coding, Hubzilla is not for you.

But if there's no entry mask and no database field for alt-texts in posts, there won't be either for the profile images either. That is, unless Hubzilla adopts the alt-text field from (streams) and Forte where alt-texts can be added to uploaded images in the Photo app so that they're automatically inserted whenever you embed an image in a message. Using that alt-text field for profile images should be trivial then.

If you want or need the images in my profile described: I don't have a description for my profile photo. For my cover photo, I actually have two. They're both in this post: hub.netzgemeinde.eu/display/c7…. One is in the alt-text which you probably can't open when you're on a phone; the alt-text is 1,500 characters long, a bit over 1,400 of which are visual description. The other one is in the post text itself. But you'd better have a lot of time at your hand because it's over 60,000 characters long, and it'll probably take you a few hours to read it.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #Hubzilla #MastodonCulture #FediverseCulture #MastodonCentricity #MastodonNormativity

Universal Campus: The mother of all mega-regions -

^{hub.netzgemeinde.eu}

Roland Häder🇩🇪 likes this.

reshared this

in reply to Jupiter Rowland

Roland Häder🇩🇪

in reply to Jupiter Rowland 4 days ago

@Jupiter Rowland So how do they think it can be enforced everywhere? Here on #Friendica we use [img=https://foo.bar/image.jpg]Some image[/img] But we actually have to type it in. It isn't forced.
Here is my profile picture as I have choosen it with the web UI.

It is without an alt-text per default. While choosing the image, there could be a <input type="text" /> being shown, maybe someone takes time to add that. But why make it mandatory when you can simply remove it from the entered text?

#friendica @Jupiter Rowland

in reply to Roland Häder🇩🇪

Jupiter Rowland

in reply to Roland Häder🇩🇪 4 days ago

@Roland Häder

So how do they think it can be enforced everywhere?

Just like they try to enforce anything everywhere.

They'll simply tell you to do it.
They'll lecture you about it.
They'll call you out if you don't do it.
Once they've caught you not doing it repeatedly, they'll insult you as ableist.
They'll block you. Before they block you, they'll announce in public that they'll block you because you're an ableist swine who refuses to add alt-text to his images, and they'll mention you so that you can see it.
If you're only here to get and stay in contact with a select few people, none of whom are on Mastodon, you might not care.
But if you need a certain amount of reach especially on Mastodon, this is bad.

I've seen all the above actually happen.

Roland Häder🇩🇪 likes this.

Roland Häder🇩🇪 reshared this.

in reply to Jupiter Rowland

eshep

in reply to Jupiter Rowland 4 days ago from Fedilab

re: The next clash between Mastodon and the non-Mastodon Fediverse is imminent

@Jupiter Rowland
I've not yet seen any posts, attacking or otherwise, taking this stance, but I have seen quite a few Mastodon bios lately that seem to push it; things like "will block" or "will not boost" for posts without alt-text.

I have family who have varying levels of blindness who consume media from all over the internet. All of them have been quite thrilled about the state of these new robot assistants we all now have such easy access to.

Specifically assigned "alt-text" is never necessary. If you could be bothered to type up a meaningful post that accompanies the image, instead of just lazily reposting every shit meme you find without providing any context of what it means to you or why you want people to see it, this wouldn't be an issue that anyone thought needed fixin.

I'm sure there's a better way to describe it, but the word "gentrification" always comes mind when I see this sorta shit. I say fuckem, if that's the way they wanna play here, I prolly don't care read what they post about anyhow.

@Jupiter Rowland

Roland Häder🇩🇪 likes this.

in reply to eshep

Jupiter Rowland

in reply to eshep 4 days ago

@eshep

I've not yet seen any posts, attacking or otherwise, taking this stance

Not yet.

Right now, this feature is only available in a development version of Mastodon and only on mastodon.social. Next will be the daredevil servers that run development code to be ahead of release in features.

But eventually, a new stable release will be rolled out with this feature. More and more servers will be upgraded to this new version with this feature. Once typical activist servers like beige.party introduce it, my prediction will come true.

I have family who have varying levels of blindness who consume media from all over the internet. All of them have been quite thrilled about the state of these new robot assistants we all now have such easy access to.
Specifically assigned "alt-text" is never necessary.

People who aren't sighted are usually happy about image-describing AI because it's better than nothing, and without image-describing AI, they've got literally nothing.

In fact, however, image-describing AI is just barely better than nothing, if at all. It describes stuff that doesn't matter. It doesn't describe stuff that does matter. Most importantly, it's unreliable and inaccurate. It hallucinates and describes stuff wrongly. However, people who aren't sufficiently sighted don't know. They can't verify whether what the AI says is true because they can't see the image well enough to be able to compare it with the description.

100% hand-written alt-text is always more reliable, more accurate and more fit for the context than AI-generated alt-text will ever be.

I know from first-hand experience. I've tasked an image-describing AI with describing an image which I've described manually with no AI help first, and then I've analysed the AI description and compared it with both the actual image and my descriptions. I've even done that twice. The results were abysmal.

#fediverse #mastodon #long #alttext #fedimeta #CWFediverseMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWLongPost #LongPost #CWLong #CWAltTextMeta #AltTextMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #ImageDescriptionMeta #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescription @eshep

like this

in reply to Jupiter Rowland

eshep

in reply to Jupiter Rowland 4 days ago

Exactly why an actual comment by the poster themselves to describe what it means to them, or the point they wish to convey is so desperately important, not "just" the alt-text for the image itself.

⇧

Jupiter Rowland 4 days ago • •

Jupiter Rowland
4 days ago